A diet common in coastal areas of Southern Europe, particularly one with lots of olive oil and nuts, cuts the risk of stroke and other major cardiovascular problems by 30% among high-risk people, according to a new study.
And even without it, the logic is impeccable, starting with the nature of the entity and it's digestive tract... the solid conclusions follow from that...
Whereas your wishful thinking... well... we know where that leads to...
RR Phantom
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the highly processed factory oil which they extract
LOL! It's merely squeezed out. COLD pressed! How does that harm the product??? But do explain, I'm all ears.
Yes, oil is fat. I guess you don't know that our digestive tract requires dietary fat in order to extract vitamins A, D, E and K from fruits and veges. (The fat-soluble vitamins.)
But I suppose you can also explain why we don't need those vitamins.
Too much of a good thing leads to overloads! I never said or implied otherwise, so don't obfuscate. And you admit OO is a good thing? Great!
If it isn't growing naturally, forgeddaboudid! Olives grow just as naturally as your other fruit.
Furthermore, I could also say if it doesn't grow in the African jungle, forgeddaboudid also.
And you're just begging the question with your list of vitamins. A fallacy. No I'm not.
No non-eating of oil fruitarian, ever died from a lack of your vitamins... Um, because there's fat in the veges and fruit!
But there's millions which expire from heart attacks, while consuming so called, "healthy cold-pressed" olive oil. Because they eat other crap, or are vegetarians, or think OO is a magic bullet which allows them to slack off in other lifestyle aspects. Adding OO to a diet doesn't necessarily overcome all errors.
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Don't obfuscate! I'm not. You are. Going on a separate tangent about vitamins... Too much of a good thing leads to overloads! So you admit OO is a good thing? Great! Fruit is, not a hyper-concentrated derivative from that same fruit and which clogs arteries, leading to heart attacks. Recently, as you well know, they even revoked fish oil as 'being beneficial,' after years of phony propaganda about its benefits. And not too long ago, they revoked the "good oil" vs "bad oil" as well, since that too proved to be erroneous... So I'm just waiting for the clowns to eventually and finally simply proclaim again: "We were wrong and no oil is 'good oil' so stop using it completely. If it isn't growing naturally, forgeddaboudid! Olives grow just as naturally as your other fruit. The issue is the concentrated extract, not fruit per se. Furthermore, I could also say if it doesn't grow in the African jungle, forgeddaboudid also. LOL! EPIC FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What? Do you even know where the jungle is??? Evidently not... Forget about the South African savannas... they don't qualify... especially with their imported varieties of olives from Europe.
And you're just begging the question with your list of vitamins. A fallacy. No I'm not. Sure you are... just assuming about vitamins, as if that's a foregone conclusion, requiring no further proof whatsoever. No non-eating of oil fruitarian, ever died from a lack of your vitamins... Um, because there's fat in the veges and fruit! Obviously... But there's millions which expire from heart attacks, while consuming so called, "healthy cold-pressed" olive oil. Because they eat other crap. Adding OO to a diet doesn't necessarily overcome all errors. Indeed, but for clogging arteries, ya can't beat 100% fat! And that's your damn oil!
RR Phantom
Location : Wasted Space Job/hobbies : Cayman Islands Actuary
Don't obfuscate! I'm not. You are. Going on a separate tangent about vitamins... Wrong. I'm proving that fat isn't a bad thing. It's valuable component of a diet. Nonsense. First, it's in an unnatural concentrated form and which is bad for you. Second, I can sprinkle all the multi-vitamins over arsenic too, but it will still kill you, despite the beneficial aspect of vitamins. So you've proved nothing. Too much of a good thing leads to overloads! So you admit OO is a good thing? Great! Fruit is, not a hyper-concentrated derivative from that same fruit and which clogs arteries, leading to heart attacks. But OO doesn't do that. Of course it does, it's 100% fat... leading to fatty deposits... not just the arteries, but liver, etc... Recently, as you well know, they even revoked fish oil as 'being beneficial,' after years of phony propaganda about its benefits. And not too long ago, they revoked the "good oil" vs "bad oil" as well, since that too proved to be erroneous... So I'm just waiting for the clowns to eventually and finally simply proclaim again: "We were wrong and no oil is 'good oil' so stop using it completely. Yes, they indeed made a mistake in declaring saturated fat to be bad. Thankfully that myth has been busted. Sat fat is good too! More nonsense... aren't you up with the latest??? None of them is good!!! If it isn't growing naturally, forgeddaboudid! Olives grow just as naturally as your other fruit. The issue is the concentrated extract, not fruit per se. Furthermore, I could also say if it doesn't grow in the African jungle, forgeddaboudid also. LOL! EPIC FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What? Do you even know where the jungle is??? Evidently not... Forget about the South African savannas... they don't qualify... especially with their imported varieties of olives from Europe.
And you're just begging the question with your list of vitamins. A fallacy. No I'm not. Sure you are... just assuming about vitamins, as if that's a foregone conclusion, requiring no further proof whatsoever. 'Assuming' what about them? And you're 'assuming' they are worthless, as if that's a foregone conclusion, requiring no further proof whatsoever. In the context of the discussion they are irrelevant. Oil is bad, no matter if you have some vitamins in it, while you suffer a heart attack... No non-eating of oil fruitarian, ever died from a lack of your vitamins... Um, because there's fat in the veges and fruit! Obviously... So there you go. Fat is valuable, i.e., not bad. Fat in regular fruit and vegetables is negligible and completely minute... insignificant... Yet still adequate. But that's why you don't have apes and monkeys dropping from heart attacks either... only one ape does... the one that uses concentrated oil in food... But there's millions which expire from heart attacks, while consuming so called, "healthy cold-pressed" olive oil. Because they eat other crap. Adding OO to a diet doesn't necessarily overcome all errors. Indeed, but for clogging arteries, ya can't beat 100% fat! And that's your damn oil!
RR Phantom
Location : Wasted Space Job/hobbies : Cayman Islands Actuary
it's in an unnatural concentrated form and which is bad for you.
Where's the proof of that, or are you 'just assuming' again?
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I can sprinkle all the multi-vitamins over arsenic too, but it will still kill you, despite the beneficial aspect of vitamins.
Um, so what??? My point was, fat is necessary to absorb those vitamins. It's for that reason they are known as the 'fat-soluble vitamins.' But I'm not surprised you don't know that.
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More nonsense... aren't you up with the latest??? None of them is good!!!
Let's see a link to this supposed "latest," or are you back to your 'just assuming.'
it's in an unnatural concentrated form and which is bad for you.
Where's the proof of that, or are you 'just assuming' again? Logic 101: It's pure fat. Fat sticks to arteries... leading to heart attacks.
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I can sprinkle all the multi-vitamins over arsenic too, but it will still kill you, despite the beneficial aspect of vitamins.
Um, so what??? My point was, fat is necessary to absorb those vitamins. It's for that reason they are known as the 'fat-soluble vitamins.' But I'm not surprised you don't know that. The statement "fat-soluble vitamins" is a modern day description to which you are trying to attach a justification for consuming highly concentrated fat and which is insane on the face of it. Fruit and vegetables contain the miniscule amounts of fat which our bodies use and which is sufficient. No extra concentrated oil is needed to be healthy and with clean arteries. You are simply overloading the body with a ton of unnecessary, useless, dangerous fat.
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More nonsense... aren't you up with the latest??? None of them is good!!!
Let's see a link to this supposed "latest," or are you back to your 'just assuming.'
I don't have it handy but there's always google... Plus, you should finally read that free book I once gave you a link to... both of them in fact... then get back to me...
RR Phantom
Location : Wasted Space Job/hobbies : Cayman Islands Actuary
it's in an unnatural concentrated form and which is bad for you.
Where's the proof of that, or are you 'just assuming' again? Logic 101: It's pure fat. Fat sticks to arteries... leading to heart attacks. You fail logic 101. It's the amount that matters. And not unsaturated fats either, so OO is quite safe on that count. Of course it's the amount as well, that goes without saying. But as a matter of principle, you shouldn't consume unnatural concentrated forms of artery clogging fat/oil. Unsaturated included.
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I can sprinkle all the multi-vitamins over arsenic too, but it will still kill you, despite the beneficial aspect of vitamins.
Um, so what??? My point was, fat is necessary to absorb those vitamins. It's for that reason they are known as the 'fat-soluble vitamins.' But I'm not surprised you don't know that. The statement "fat-soluble vitamins" is a modern day description So what? It's worthless and irrelevant, given the absolutely MINISCULE amount which the body uses for optimal health!!! It's like needing 0.0001 grams of fat, but you consume a frigging litre, while claiming that the body "needs it" to absorb the vitamins... because they are "fat-soluble," it's ridiculous. to which you are trying to attach a justification for consuming highly concentrated fat and which is insane on the face of it. Fruit and vegetables contain the miniscule amounts of fat which our bodies use and which is sufficient. No extra concentrated oil is needed to be healthy and with clean arteries. You are simply overloading the body with a ton of unnecessary, useless, dangerous fat. Wrong. Fat is not useless, it provides calories. And it's only dangerous in excess. Highly concentrated is dangerous and is in excess.
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More nonsense... aren't you up with the latest??? None of them is good!!!
Let's see a link to this supposed "latest," or are you back to your 'just assuming.'
I don't have it handy but there's always google... Plus, you should finally read that free book I once gave you a link to... both of them in fact... then get back to me...
Laugh all you want, but there's more unorthodox correct info in that book, than all your recently published nonsense, which you cling to so vociferously...
And that edition has been updated at least 6 times since (from memory)
That isn't the very first one to read, but the other one is!
But as a matter of principle, you shouldn't consume unnatural concentrated forms of artery clogging fat/oil. Unsaturated included.
No, you are no worse off from consuming the oil from one olive (concentrated form), than if you instead ate the whole olive.
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It's worthless and irrelevant, given the absolutely MINISCULE amount which the body uses for optimal health!!! It's like needing 0.0001 grams of fat, but you consume a frigging litre, while claiming that the body "needs it" to absorb the vitamins... because they are "fat-soluble," it's ridiculous.
I never claimed the body needs large amounts of fat to absorb the vitamins, so stop putting words in my mouth.
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Highly concentrated is dangerous and is in excess.
Highly concentrated is simply highly concentrated, not excessive. That's simple logic. See example above about one olive.
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all your recently published nonsense, which you cling to so vociferously...
I don't 'cling' to it; everything I read is subject to critical examination. On the other hand, you seem to be clinging to that old book...
But as a matter of principle, you shouldn't consume unnatural concentrated forms of artery clogging fat/oil. Unsaturated included.
No, you are no worse off from consuming the oil from one olive (concentrated form), than if you instead ate the whole olive. Not true at all. Eating whole fruits provides several important additional benefits, ie. fiber, etc... so it isn't the same.
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It's worthless and irrelevant, given the absolutely MINISCULE amount which the body uses for optimal health!!! It's like needing 0.0001 grams of fat, but you consume a frigging litre, while claiming that the body "needs it" to absorb the vitamins... because they are "fat-soluble," it's ridiculous.
I never claimed the body needs large amounts of fat to absorb the vitamins, so stop putting words in my mouth. You attempted to justify your vitamin absorption... and which is completely unnecessary.
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Highly concentrated is dangerous and is in excess.
Highly concentrated is simply highly concentrated, not excessive. That's simple logic. See example above about one olive. Highly concentrated doesn't exist naturally, hence an overkill when consuming as such. Much like it's healthier to eat a whole fruit, rather than just juice it and drink the resulting fluid.
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all your recently published nonsense, which you cling to so vociferously...
I don't 'cling' to it; everything I read is subject to critical examination. Riiiiight! That's why you still cook food... because it was subject to your "critical examination!" Not to mention eating processed crap like butter and marmite (?) is that what it's called??? On the other hand, you seem to be clinging to that old book.
Nothing old about it (and you're evading the 6 new editions), it's way more advanced, than your mainstream crap...
RR Phantom
Location : Wasted Space Job/hobbies : Cayman Islands Actuary
But as a matter of principle, you shouldn't consume unnatural concentrated forms of artery clogging fat/oil. Unsaturated included.
No, you are no worse off from consuming the oil from one olive (concentrated form), than if you instead ate the whole olive. Not true at all. Eating whole fruits provides several important additional benefits, ie. fiber, etc... so it isn't the same. Can't you follow the logic? The fat isn't suddenly damaging merely because it's in concentrated form. Sure it is. It's much more damaging than if eaten as a raw food item. It's 100% fat for Christ's sake! No roughage, no nothing... Not to mention it comes out of a factory, with metallic molecules scraped off into it and which occurs to all factory processed foods, unavoidable... then transported as cargo in containers across the oceans, where it isn't in its ideal 'cool temperature,' etc... So much for the benefits of being 'cold-pressed.'
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It's worthless and irrelevant, given the absolutely MINISCULE amount which the body uses for optimal health!!! It's like needing 0.0001 grams of fat, but you consume a frigging litre, while claiming that the body "needs it" to absorb the vitamins... because they are "fat-soluble," it's ridiculous.
I never claimed the body needs large amounts of fat to absorb the vitamins, so stop putting words in my mouth. You attempted to justify your vitamin absorption... and which is completely unnecessary. Fat IS necessary for vitamin absorption, due to the nature of our digestive tract. Irrelevant when discussing concentrated oil, as we get the vitamin benefits, simply by eating raw fruits, without any additives.
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Highly concentrated is dangerous and is in excess.
Highly concentrated is simply highly concentrated, not excessive. That's simple logic. See example above about one olive. Highly concentrated doesn't exist naturally, hence an overkill when consuming as such. Not necessarily an overkill. An ape eating 100% fat is not overkill, LOL!!! Much like it's healthier to eat a whole fruit, rather than just juice it and drink the resulting fluid.
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all your recently published nonsense, which you cling to so vociferously...
I don't 'cling' to it; everything I read is subject to critical examination. Riiiiight! That's why you still cook food... because it was subject to your "critical examination!" I've already told you I cook it because of bugs due to modern farming methods. If you just ate fruit, you wouldn't have to cook it at all... Not to mention eating processed crap like butter and marmite (?) is that what it's called??? Do tell me: what's wrong with marmite? More of your 'just assuming?' Oh, all that processed, industrial-factory goodness... yum-yum... can't wait for the metal shavings and all the other bits that are typically accumulated in such operations, like industrial machine oil, grease, etc... On the other hand, you seem to be clinging to that old book.
Nothing old about it (and you're evading the 6 new editions), it's way more advanced, than your mainstream crap...
NOT mainstream at all. Riiiight! That's why eggs are good for you, lol, right???
Subject: Nonsense: Olive Oil Diet Curbs Strokes 
Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:04 pm
