Land of Decree and Home of the Slave: 1 in 100 U.S. adults behind bars, new study says

The Manufacturing of Criminals:

For the first time in the nation's history, more than one in 100 American adults is behind bars, according to a new report.

Nationwide, the prison population grew by 25,000 last year, bringing it to almost 1.6 million. Another 723,000 people are in local jails. The number of American adults is about 230 million, meaning that one in every 99.1 adults is behind bars.

Incarceration rates are even higher for some groups. One in 36 Hispanic adults is behind bars, based on Justice Department figures for 2006. One in 15 black adults is, too, as is one in nine black men between the ages of 20 and 34.

The report, from the Pew Center on the States, also found that only one in 355 white women between the ages of 35 and 39 are behind bars but that one in 100 black women are.

The report's methodology differed from that used by the Justice Department, which calculates the incarceration rate by using the total population rather than the adult population as the denominator. Using the department's methodology, about one in 130 Americans is behind bars.

Either way, said Susan Urahn, the center's managing director, "we aren't really getting the return in public safety from this level of incarceration."

But Paul Cassell, a law professor at the University of Utah and a former federal judge, said the Pew report considered only half of the cost-benefit equation and overlooked the "very tangible benefits — lower crime rates."

In the past 20 years, according the Federal Bureau of Investigation, violent crime rates fell by 25 percent, to 464 for every 100,000 people in 2007 from 612.5 in 1987.

"While we certainly want to be smart about who we put into prisons," Professor Cassell said, "it would be a mistake to think that we can release any significant number of prisoners without increasing crime rates. One out of every 100 adults is behind bars because one out of every 100 adults has committed a serious criminal offense."

Urahn said the nation cannot afford the incarceration rate documented in the report. "We tend to be a country in which incarceration is an easy response to crime," she said. "Being tough on crime is an easy position to take, particularly if you have the money. And we did have the money in the '80s and '90s."

Now, with fewer resources available, the report said, "prison costs are blowing a hole in state budgets." On average, states spend almost 7 percent on their budgets on corrections, trailing only healthcare, education and transportation.

In 2007, according to the National Association of State Budgeting Officers, states spent $44 billion in tax dollars on corrections. That is up from $10.6 billion in 1987, a 127 increase once adjusted for inflation. With money from bonds and the federal government included, total state spending on corrections last year was $49 billion. By 2011, the report said, states are on track to spend an additional $25 billion.

It cost an average of $23,876 dollars to imprison someone in 2005, the most recent year for which data were available. But state spending varies widely, from $45,000 a year in Rhode Island to $13,000 in Louisiana.

The cost of medical care is growing by 10 percent annually, the report said, and will accelerate as the prison population ages.

About one in nine state government employees works in corrections, and some states are finding it hard to fill those jobs. California spent more than $500 million on overtime alone in 2006.

The number of prisoners in California dropped by 4,000 last year, making Texas's prison system the nation's largest, at about 172,000. But the Texas legislature last year approved broad changes to the corrections system there, including expansions of drug treatment programs and drug courts and revisions to parole practices.

"Our violent offenders, we lock them up for a very long time — rapists, murderers, child molestors," said John Whitmire, a Democratic state senator from Houston and the chairman of the state senate's criminal justice committee. "The problem was that we weren't smart about nonviolent offenders. The legislature finally caught up with the public."

He gave an example.

"We have 5,500 D.W.I offenders in prison," he said, including people caught driving under the influence who had not been in an accident. "They're in the general population. As serious as drinking and driving is, we should segregate them and give them treatment."

The Pew report recommended diverting nonviolent offenders away from prison and using punishments short of reincarceration for minor or technical violations of probation or parole. It also urged states to consider earlier release of some prisoners.

Before the recent changes in Texas, Whitmire said, "we were recycling nonviolent offenders."

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Disgraceful to say the least!

But the insanity continues...
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CovOps wrote:: The Manufacturing of Criminals:

"One out of every 100 adults is behind bars because one out of every 100 adults has committed a serious criminal offense."

Most of those are manufactured 'offenses'... mostly drugs
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Land of Decree and Home of the Slave: 1 in 100 U.S. adults behind bars, new study says PgkowJT

It is indeed barbaric. If a person can not be put to death for his crimes, he should be flogged, tagged, loaded with a debt proportional to his offense and released.

Ummm...
About that flogging... only if the person responsible physically attacked and seriously injured or damaged another individual... so not for property offenses... ie. trespass, etc...
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CovOps wrote:: Ummm...
About that flogging... only if the person responsible physically attacked and seriously injured or damaged another individual... so not for property offenses... ie. trespass, etc...

If the person responsible physically attacked and seriously injured or damaged another individual, without a legitimate reason for doing so, the penalty should be death, not flogging.

andrergsanchez wrote:

CovOps wrote:: Ummm...
About that flogging... only if the person responsible physically attacked and seriously injured or damaged another individual... so not for property offenses... ie. trespass, etc...

If the person responsible physically attacked and seriously injured or damaged another individual, without a legitimate reason for doing so, the penalty should be death, not flogging.

Which is why Ancaps celebrate when US soldiers die... :cheers:
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Land of Decree and Home of the Slave: 1 in 100 U.S. adults behind bars, new study says PgkowJT

Nemo wrote:

andrergsanchez wrote:

CovOps wrote:: Ummm...
About that flogging... only if the person responsible physically attacked and seriously injured or damaged another individual... so not for property offenses... ie. trespass, etc...

If the person responsible physically attacked and seriously injured or damaged another individual, without a legitimate reason for doing so, the penalty should be death, not flogging.

Which is why Ancaps celebrate when US soldiers die... :cheers:

I don't. Of course, there are likely U.S. soldiers who deserve it. However, I do not believe this extends to the american military in general, not today. Perhaps the day we have a large "nation" living in true freedom, their behaviour (specificaly speaking, continued loyalty towards the american military) will be inexcusable. For now, it is fighting for the lesser evil. It is an honorable occupation ( no pun intended ) to be a U.S. soldier.

andrergsanchez wrote:

CovOps wrote:: Ummm...
About that flogging... only if the person responsible physically attacked and seriously injured or damaged another individual... so not for property offenses... ie. trespass, etc...

If the person responsible physically attacked and seriously injured or damaged another individual, without a legitimate reason for doing so, the penalty should be death, not flogging.

Nah, I disagree... a serious injury can be something which puts one in hospital for a few weeks/months, say a broken jaw, ribs, arm, etc... Killing people for such injuries is not just.
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CovOps wrote:

andrergsanchez wrote:

CovOps wrote:: Ummm...
About that flogging... only if the person responsible physically attacked and seriously injured or damaged another individual... so not for property offenses... ie. trespass, etc...

If the person responsible physically attacked and seriously injured or damaged another individual, without a legitimate reason for doing so, the penalty should be death, not flogging.

Nah, I disagree... a serious injury can be something which puts one in hospital for a few weeks/months, say a broken jaw, ribs, arm, etc... Killing people for such injuries is not just.

Yes it is. Well, not exactly. You do not kill people for causing injuries, you kill them for their intent. Violent rape, kidnapping, armed robbery, atempted murder, murder, should all be punished by death. If the injuries were caused without the intent to kill, or more specificaly, without the threat of death, then it is not a capital offense.

andrergsanchez wrote:

CovOps wrote:

andrergsanchez wrote:

CovOps wrote:: Ummm...
About that flogging... only if the person responsible physically attacked and seriously injured or damaged another individual... so not for property offenses... ie. trespass, etc...

If the person responsible physically attacked and seriously injured or damaged another individual, without a legitimate reason for doing so, the penalty should be death, not flogging.

Nah, I disagree... a serious injury can be something which puts one in hospital for a few weeks/months, say a broken jaw, ribs, arm, etc... Killing people for such injuries is not just.

Yes it is. Well, not exactly. You do not kill people for causing injuries, you kill them for their intent. Violent rape, kidnapping, armed robbery, atempted murder, murder, should all be punished by death. If the injuries were caused without the intent to kill, or more specificaly, without the threat of death, then it is not a capital offense.

Violent rape is just a bit of a beating and sex. Usually just a few slaps/punches... and usually less then men would experience in an ordinary street/bar fight... hardly deserving of extermination. Taking a gun to a bank robbery say, is not to threaten death to anyone (which is not the intent of the robbers, but to prevent a counter attack...) rather, to enable a smoother robbery and to get away with the loot... again, not worth killing people for. Kidnapping is a change of preferred address at some point in time... say you're going to work in the morning, but get forced into a car and taken to another address, while the kidnapper attempts to get some money in exchange... again, not worth killing people for... etc... Even getting shot at, may not warrant a killing. Most shots fired actually miss their target and typically those shots that do land, are most often not life threatening either, so may not warrant killing either...
Think we can do better than kill everyone for every shitty thing they do... not to mention that a large part of crime is committed by kids... Naturally, with repeat offenders it's a different ballgame altogether...
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CovOps wrote:: Violent rape is just a bit of a beating and sex.

It is not the level of violence that matters. An armed robbery doesn't generaly include any violence at all. What matters is that sex is forced through the threat of death.

Quote :: Usually just a few slaps/punches... and usually less then men would experience in an ordinary street/bar fight...

Generaly speaking, a street/bar fight, is a voluntary act of mutual violence. No more criminal than a boxing match.

Quote :: hardly deserving of extermination.

What is deserving of extermination then?

Quote :: Taking a gun to a bank robbery say, is not to threaten death to anyone (which is not the intent of the robbers, but to prevent a counter attack...)

By the use of a threat to murder...

Quote :: rather, to enable a smoother robbery and to get away with the loot...

By threatening to murder those who make the theft difficult.

Quote :: again, not worth killing people for.

What is worth killing people for?

Quote :: Kidnapping is a change of preferred address at some point in time... say you're going to work in the morning, but get forced into a car and taken to another address, while the kidnapper attempts to get some money in exchange...

Through a threat of murder.

Quote :: again, not worth killing people for... etc...

I wonder if there is anything you regard as being serious enough to kill people for.

Quote :: Even getting shot at, may not warrant a killing.

It's not the action that matters, it's the intent.

Quote :: Most shots fired actually miss their target and typically those shots that do land, are most often not life threatening either, so may not warrant killing either...

So, basicaly, only if the guy actually kills you, are you allowed to kill him back?

Quote :: Think we can do better than kill everyone for every shitty thing they do...

People can do lots of shitty things. As long as those shitty things aren't a threat to another person's life, without legitimate cause.

Quote :: not to mention that a large part of crime is committed by kids...

If by kid you mean, young adults, so what?

Quote :: Naturally, with repeat offenders it's a different ballgame altogether...

If you treat first time offenders properly, there won't be any repeat offenders.

andrergsanchez wrote:

Nemo wrote:

andrergsanchez wrote:

CovOps wrote:: Ummm...
About that flogging... only if the person responsible physically attacked and seriously injured or damaged another individual... so not for property offenses... ie. trespass, etc...

If the person responsible physically attacked and seriously injured or damaged another individual, without a legitimate reason for doing so, the penalty should be death, not flogging.

Which is why Ancaps celebrate when US soldiers die... :cheers:

I don't.

Well you should... if you were principled, and which you are not.

Of course, there are likely U.S. soldiers who deserve it. However, I do not believe this extends to the american military in general, not today. Perhaps the day we have a large "nation" living in true freedom, their behaviour (specificaly speaking, continued loyalty towards the american military) will be inexcusable.

It's already inexcusable, given that they are trained killers for the state, the most destructive institution ever assembled on earth.

For now, it is fighting for the lesser evil. It is an honorable occupation ( no pun intended ) to be a U.S. soldier.

No. See if you were principled, you'd oppose the institution of slavery, ie. the state and wouldn't hair-split and lobby for the preferred criminal. There ought to be no such criminals, period. There ought to be no enslavement, end of story.

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andrergsanchez wrote:

CovOps wrote:: Violent rape is just a bit of a beating and sex.

It is not the level of violence that matters.

Sure it is, that's the prime fact which will distinguish between major and minor harm done... and hence the restitution required.

An armed robbery doesn't generaly include any violence at all. What matters is that sex is forced through the threat of death.

No. Violent rape is 99% death-free, because the violent offender isn't interested in killing, say her, but in fucking her.

Quote :: Usually just a few slaps/punches... and usually less then men would experience in an ordinary street/bar fight...

Generaly speaking, a street/bar fight, is a voluntary act of mutual violence. No more criminal than a boxing match.

Point is that the vast, vast majority of violent rape, is no more physically damaging than a garden variety street fight, hence not worthy killing for.

Quote :: hardly deserving of extermination.

What is deserving of extermination then?

Killing is worthy of killing... heavy torture too... enslavers enslaving or propagandizing for slavery, that is worth killing for.

Quote :: Taking a gun to a bank robbery say, is not to threaten death to anyone (which is not the intent of the robbers, but to prevent a counter attack...)

By the use of a threat to murder...

No. By the use of a threat to shoot you... not kill you, death is entirely optional and in fact, statistically not significant.

Quote :: rather, to enable a smoother robbery and to get away with the loot...

By threatening to murder those who make the theft difficult.

Again, not murder but just to shoot

Quote :: again, not worth killing people for.

What is worth killing people for?

See above.

Quote :: Kidnapping is a change of preferred address at some point in time... say you're going to work in the morning, but get forced into a car and taken to another address, while the kidnapper attempts to get some money in exchange...

Through a threat of murder.

No, a threat of assault. If you're dead, nobody will pay much, which kind of defeats the whole point of the kidnapping.

Quote :: again, not worth killing people for... etc...

I wonder if there is anything you regard as being serious enough to kill people for.

Covered above.

Quote :: Even getting shot at, may not warrant a killing.

It's not the action that matters, it's the intent.

Only sometimes and even then there has got to be serious planning, serious actions undertaken... If one minute my intention is to rub you out, you'd want to exterminate me, right? But intentions are usually fluid, changing, impulsive and reversible. What if in the next minute I change my intention? According to you, will you still seek to kill me? On what basis? More importantly, how would you even know what my intention is or when in fact I changed it?

Quote :: Most shots fired actually miss their target and typically those shots that do land, are most often not life threatening either, so may not warrant killing either...

So, basicaly, only if the guy actually kills you, are you allowed to kill him back?

BWAHAHAHA!!! You killed me with that one! Hilarious!!!
But sure you don't have to wait until someone shoots you first in order to defend, but just a temporary intention is not reason enough. Who hasn't had thoughts of whacking somebody out? It would be tantamount to killing people for their thoughts, dammit!

Quote :: Think we can do better than kill everyone for every shitty thing they do...

People can do lots of shitty things. As long as those shitty things aren't a threat to another person's life, without legitimate cause.

Quote :: not to mention that a large part of crime is committed by kids...

If by kid you mean, young adults, so what?

Well you can't hold kids to the same standards as mature adults. They're still underdeveloped. They lack knowledge, experience, impulse control, their brains aren't fully developed yet, etc...

Quote :: Naturally, with repeat offenders it's a different ballgame altogether...

If you treat first time offenders properly, there won't be any repeat offenders.

I suppose you'll kill them first instead, right???

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andrergsanchez wrote:: It is not the level of violence that matters. An armed robbery doesn't generaly include any violence at all. What matters is that sex is forced through the threat of death.

It is not the level of violence that matters. Taxation doesn't generally include any violence at all. What matters is that taxation is forced through the threat of death.

Quote :: By the use of a threat to murder...

Same as with preventing tax resistance.

Quote :: rather, to enable a smoother robbery and to get away with the loot...

Like with tax.

Quote :: By threatening to murder those who make the theft difficult.

Tax...

Quote :: Through a threat of murder.

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