Subject: Idiot: Claims new Ferrari F458 is a waste of money Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:36 am
Part I
Modena, Italy - Ferrari has announced the successor to the F430, the Ferrari 458 Italia, giving gullible hacks the world over the chance to salivate into their keyboards about how wonderful it is.
Wired, for example, bleats that the 458 'shows, once again, why Ferrari is the best carmaker in the world. Automakers around the globe would give anything to make a car this good, and it’s only Ferrari’s entry-level model.'
The 458 will cost 'considerably more' than the outgoing F430, which carries a $255,000 price tag for the entry-level model. And like the F430, it is exactly the same as every other Ferrari produced in the last twenty years - impractical, overpriced, unreliable, obscenely expensive to service and painted red.
So it has a 4.5 liter V8 producing 570 horsepower, will top 200 mph and do 0-60 in 3.4 seconds. You could buy 100 used motorcycles for the same price that could match that 0-60 time and when was the last time you drove at 100 mph, let alone 200?
Ferrari does, of course, make more money from selling hats and key rings to people who have never sat in a Ferrari - let alone having driven or owned one - than it does by selling its absurd vehicles. The nearest the millions of Ferrari fans ever get to the Ferrari experience is pinning a poster to the bedroom wall or watching reruns of Magnum PI.
One undeniable motoring fact is that every last one of the people you see wearing a Ferrari hat or jacket doesn't own a Ferrari and never will, with the exception of a racing driver who has had one plonked on his head by a PR man before a press conference and gets one free as a company car.
People who actually own a Ferrari are, to a man, the kind of self-obsessed weasels you'd cross the road to avoid. And they'd be walking because the Ferrari will be under a dust sheet, broken or being serviced.
There's a lot of low-mileage Ferraris out there and they have low mileage because once you've saved up the purchase price, you can't afford to change the oil every 3,000 miles or the timing belts every 30,000 to avoid the engine turning itself into a collection of lovingly-crafted scrap metal.
The factory specifies service intervals of 15,000 miles, which includes a tune-up and valve adjustment. The 30,000-mile services are the big ones and involve the removal and reinstallation of the engine, along with replacement of the water pump, the timing belts, ignition parts, the clutch linings, various seals and hoses.
In terms of spare parts, a set of Repco brake pads at $45 works just as well as Ferrari pads at $180. A $10 radiator fan switch from a VW Rabbit is the same as the Ferrari part at $63 and the electric mirror switch from a BMW 7-Series costing $26 is the same one Ferrari will sell you for $70.
A Ferrari may be an aspirational vehicle, but then so are BMWs, Mercedes and Jaguars costing a fraction of the price and offering practical, reliable, motoring enjoyment. These cars are bought by people who know about driving rather than simply having more money than sense.
The bottom line is that for the thick end of $300,000, you'd be better off spending your money on something else. Like a house.
But of course this won't stop Toyota-driving hacks from wetting themselves with excitement when they see a red shiny object adorned with a prancing horse, even if it's just a Ferrari pen.
Editor's note: The writer drives a Jaguar, so a small degree of bias may have crept into this article. He also assures us that he has actually driven a Ferrari around the Silverstone Formula One circuit.
Sour Grapes? Jul 29, 2009 05:58 On one hand, the writer is correct of course...a Ferrari is never a sensible purchase - then again, that is not the point of a Ferrari is it?
I could leave it at that, but frankly the owner of this article is so obviously biased against Ferrari that it is almost sickening!
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Votes: +23 Nothing like a good opportunity to vent frustration Jul 29, 2009 06:01 But don't loose hope man. One day you might actually be able to afford a beauty like the one in the picture on the main page.
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Votes: +9 Ferrari's are the best Jul 29, 2009 06:12 Ferrari cars offer the best handling of all the cars out there.It is the sheer driving pleasure that it will give,that no other car will give,it is the sound of a Ferrari that no other car has.
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Votes: -5 Marc Jul 29, 2009 06:16 Just by reading the article, I was 200% sure the Editor was driving a British car like a Jag, and is probably British. I am afraid Jag is probably amongst the worse production cars even build, and it might very well disappear in the next few years if they cannot sell their new ugly XJ. What's more, a Jag is extremely expensive, depreciates at lightning speed and CO2 and mileage performance are nothing to be proud of. Not mentioning they are also very very unreliable. Yes, Ferrari have flaws, but they are toys for rich people who do not care about the extra servicing needs. It is the case for all supercars, I am afraid. They are all unreliable, whether BMW, Audi, Lambo, (let's not name an Anerican make as they are all R....sh) and need constant attention. If you do not want that, don't ask that level of performance and take a normal car.
[Andrew adds: You might want to check why Jaguar has knocked Lexus off the top of the reliablity and user satisfaction charts in the last few years.]
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Votes: +5 @jonas Jul 29, 2009 06:32 Well, the DB9 is an Aston Martin, at ~120,000UKP, not a Jaguar! The Jag XK-R (comparable with the DB9 in many ways) costs ~70,000UKP, and the Ferrari costs ~175,000UKP. In the end, of course, 'you pays yer money, you takes yer choice'
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Votes: +3 You are an idiot!!! Jul 29, 2009 06:49 You should digest your words a little better. You sound very bitter, frustrated with other peoples success and life enjoyment...you are a master idiot!!! For the record: Do you really think that someone who can afford a Ferrari would be thinking of not buying the car in order to save the money for a house? Their garage most cost more than a house; Besides, you drive a Jaguar, a Jaguar!!! and you dare to talk about maintenance problems and costs??? I could use better adjectives to define you but why bother, you are an idiot you wouldn't understand it anyway!
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Votes: +18 This site gets worse by the day.... Jul 29, 2009 06:52 ...I don't know how much longer I'll keep visiting. Anyway , the Ferrari has just been announced , nobody has driven it yet, so we can only comment on the styling, which I think looks good. Yet this "Tech" site has already condemmed it ?
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Votes: +9 Did the Andrew's wife leave him for a man with a Ferrari? Jul 29, 2009 07:01 Based on the tone of the article, there must be something under the suface to get the writer so heated on the subject of a new Ferrari! By the way, when were Jags known for reliability and cheap services?
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Votes: +15 Why so much anger? Jul 29, 2009 07:14 This article reeks of jealousy. He has just ridiculed people for dreaming and admiring advanced technology. I thought technology was the purpose of this site?? Who cares that the switch costs $53 more than a “VW Rabbit”.
I’m actually quite disappointed that the editor authorized the posting of this article. It is obvious from the Editor’s note that he felt uncomfortable about the level of bias.
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Votes: +7 mr Jul 29, 2009 07:22 Andrew is the man! Ferrari's are overpriced ego-accessories for small-willy-syndromed mommy-boys who probably do not even know how to change a flat tyre!
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Votes: -12 It's a niche market` Jul 29, 2009 07:27 I think that's about the truest thing you could say about it all. I don't really see what the article writer is on about I must admit.
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Votes: +2 It is a beautiful car, and I am happy for people th... Jul 29, 2009 07:36 It is a beautiful car, and I am happy for people that have them and enjoy them. Really why would you admit you own a Jag. They are overpriced Ford's. I can't believe you think a Jag belongs in the same category as BMW, Audi, and Merc they aren't anything alike.
However best bang for your buck is the C6 ZR1.
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Votes: +1 What a moron Jul 29, 2009 07:39 What a moron? this car is loaded with technological firsts and that make your british ass jealous! what ever, keep your Jaguar, why would this site publish your idiotic article us beyond me!!!!
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Votes: +3 REALLY? Jul 29, 2009 07:40 Who cares about price of service when you just dropped 300K on a car. It is meant for people who have money not a soccer mom trying to make ends meet? I can't believe how angry people get when some people have nice things. It's like they want everyone to drive around in a 1996 Ford Taurus. Why not get off your ass and make enough to buy one.
BTW my Uncle has a Ferrari hat and a 360 Modena. That's crazy. Oh he also knows how to work on cars, but never services the 360 himself because he leaves that to qualified mechanics. Those motors are so perfectly balanced that you would be a moron to tinker with it.
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Subject: Re: Idiot: Claims new Ferrari F458 is a waste of money Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:36 am
Part II
Ferrari envy? Jul 29, 2009 08:03 Of course a Ferrari is a waste of money! Anyone who would argue differently is genetically defective.
Any vehicle above and beyond the bare minimum necessary to accomplish the basic reason of transportation of people or goods, is a waste of money.
But then, that's the whole point. It's my money to waste, so if I want to waste it on a vehicle, that's my business. Certainly not anyone else's, and DEFINITELY not the government's!
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Votes: +2 Wrong article, wrong place, wrong readers Jul 29, 2009 08:03 If you can afford one single Ferrari, then you're elegible to all the pains in the *ss described by this article. But, unfortunately for the author, the typical Ferrari owner is a rich (very rich to outrageously rich) oldie that usually can afford one or more Ferraris, together with Porsches and such. The average mileage is low just bcuz the man doesn't have enuff time to drive them all on a regular basis, and most of the time he sits in the back seat of some Rolls or Limo. And the ultimate reason is that a Ferrari is a status symbol, and not just a car, and neither the author nor the typical readers of this site are likely to fall into the category described above... we can either dream about owning one (w/o the cons) or turning green with envy towards the ones that do own one... the author, evidently, chose the latter option. Take it easy, Andrew. =)
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Votes: +6 someone is bitter... and has personal issues with ferrari.. Jul 29, 2009 08:08 i'm gonna keep this short. Ferrari's are beautiful and are meant for only the rich. If they can afford a Ferrari then i'm pretty sure they can afford maintenance on it and i'm pretty sure they have at least 5 other houses they are investing in. And who cares if non ferrari owners wear ferrari clothing... so what.. Nascar fans aren't allowed to wear nascar clothes? WHATEVER... this article sucks
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Votes: +5 Service of Ferrari Jul 29, 2009 08:59 Really?....."The 30,000-mile services are the big ones and involve the removal and reinstallation of the engine, along with replacement of the water pump, the timing belts, ignition parts, the clutch linings, various seals and hoses."
Pure ignorance, but then again you drive a Jag....which mine's well have been made by Lucas.
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Votes: +0 WTF Jul 29, 2009 09:00 Is the point of this article?
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Votes: +4 Poor sissy boy can't afford a Ferrari Jul 29, 2009 09:03 Dude get over it. Stop whining in your column. You can still get a real nice Ferrari used for about $65K.
Boo Hoo
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Votes: +2 Nonsense from a know nothing Jul 29, 2009 09:25 I'm no fan of Ferarri, but how does this help me "Know More, Do More" (as the TG Daily headline says)? This contains zero actual information and a lot of bias.
Yes, while they may source a few switches from outside automotive suppliers, I'd bet they test every one before selecting the ones to install. In any case it is sometimes better to buy an item that works, rather than re-invent it to no real advantage.
But brake pads the same as generic? I doubt the author had the first clue about the arcane science of brake pads. Does he even have the first bit of data about the friction coefficient of either the Repco or Ferrari pads he mentions? How about how the coefficient changes at different temperatures? The Repco pads might even have slightly better grip on the first cold stop at the end of the driveway, but what about when you've got the brakes up to 1200F (which is only mid-range for a high performance car)? Is he really stupid enough to actually trust a $300K car and his life to a set of cheap pads without any actual data or testing?
The author is an idiot and so are the publishers who let him publish this drivel. I want my 2 minutes back
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Votes: +3 Troll much? Jul 29, 2009 09:45 Jaguar owner dissing Ferrari? Was this article written just to piss people off? Did Andrew Thomas get paid to write this?
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Votes: +1 This is a tech website? Jul 29, 2009 10:03 What the hell was this about? Does TG let any hack with a keyboard write for them?
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Votes: +3 don't tell me you drive a Ford made Jaguar... Jul 29, 2009 10:07 That would explain everything...
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Votes: +0 Jaguar? lol. garbage Jul 29, 2009 10:10 dont even mention jaguar with ferrari
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Votes: +1 Please refrain from writng things you know nothing about Jul 29, 2009 10:12 for starters - Ferrari is based on a racing heritage - consumer cars were an afterthought - the legion of tifosi don't really care if they ever own a ferrari, but they will drape themselves in Ferrari flags at every racing event where Ferraris participate - particularly F1.
secondly, there is simply a matter of loving the cars as an expression of art and science. People buy millions of books about Frank Lloyd Wright, bu tthey are never going to live in one of his leaky homes... should we rip into him and the folks who do live in those homes next.
Why I wasted my time reading this piece and even more time by replying, I will never know.
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Votes: +2 Jag VS Ferrari Jul 29, 2009 10:26 I used to work valet... so i've driven Ferraris and Jags on several occassions and you remind me of the Jag owners that would come drooling over the Ferrari that I had parked in the front row. Pointless article really... it's never meant to be a Toyota Camry ... it's just something to brag about... my friend bought a 1989 Ferrari a few years ago for $20'000 canadian, and he has encountered no problems with the car so far. Ford owned Jags have always had problems with everyone I know.... Once again ... this article is pointless... you can't possibly compare the Ferrari with the Jag...
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Votes: +3 Agreed Jul 29, 2009 10:30 Yup, what everyone else said. What a waste of space article. Go rant on Jalopnik or Autoblog or somewhere other than here.
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Votes: +0 Hang on... Jul 29, 2009 10:31 Wait a sec. Don't rant on either one of those sites, because I read them and they don't need no-nothing wankers such as yourself crudding the place up. Good day.
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Votes: -1 Fire this idiot... Jul 29, 2009 10:33 This article has no place on TGDaily. Heck, it's not even good enough for a personal blog.
Fire this idiot (or at least stop posting his crap).
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Votes: +6 Andrew replies... Jul 29, 2009 10:39 Who'd have thought so many Ferrari owners and experts read TG Daily?
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Votes: -13 Why stop here? Jul 29, 2009 11:00 Fantastic point! In fact, why stop here? Sure a Van Gough is pretty and all, but it's a downright waste of paint! No one reading this will ever own one, so what's the point? We're all familiar with paint on the walls, so just be content with the quality of Sherman Williams, damnit! And what's this crock about the French Laundry? Have you eaten there? Me neither! What a waste of money when you can get a Happy Meal for less than five bucks!
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Votes: +7 _________________ Anarcho-Capitalist, AnCaps Forum, Ancapolis,OZschwitz Contraband “The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual, crime.”-- Max Stirner "Remember: Evil exists because good men don't kill the government officials committing it." -- Kurt Hofmann
Subject: Re: Idiot: Claims new Ferrari F458 is a waste of money Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:39 am
Part III
CRAP for the Money Jul 29, 2009 11:02 I can't see why they cost that much even if they are hand made. Like he said you can buy much more for your dollar and get why more back in the form of usefulness. Ferrari has its place, which is on a racetrack not the highway. A car is no fun to own if it only sits in the garage.
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Votes: -2 To the Editor.. Jul 29, 2009 11:19 WTF would you even post this article? At least fix the title -- "New Ferrari F438 a waste of money". The article has nothing to do with F438. Ferrari expert or no expert.. owner or not.. this article is by far the most retarded article I have ever read on TG Daily.
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Votes: +8 When was the last time to 100 Jul 29, 2009 12:16 Every time I buy a new car, find a great vacant road.
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Votes: +4 Why all the hate Jul 29, 2009 12:45 My father owns a ferrari and he's not a weasel. don't disrespect ALL the people who own a ferrari. Why is tgdaily doing this. Let people with opinions write their own blog this is simply a site for technology. I'm looking for a different site.
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Votes: +4 Jag Jul 29, 2009 13:07 Jags are an electrical fire waiting to happen. Neighbor had (2) and both had electrical fires. Sorry about your luck, I'll take my Audi S6 over your Jag any day. Notice you didn't mention the model of the Jag. If it is an XJ220 it is the only Jag that could compare to a Ferarri. BTW- Supercars aren't meant to be practical, they are to be enjoyed by people with more money than they know what to do with.
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Votes: +2 The author sounds like a Windows user talking about a Mac. Jul 29, 2009 13:27 No Ferrari has ever been infected with spyware or a virus.
PS. Some of us just like to drive fast on the track.
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Votes: +0 Title cut off. Jul 29, 2009 13:29 I was trying to say, "The author sounds like a Windows user talking about a Mac."
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Votes: -1 Stop reviewing cars please Jul 29, 2009 13:38 Are you kidding me? You seriously need to stop writing about cars if you like to post your own personal diatribe as to the woes of owning/driving a Ferrari. The editor should also be slapped for allowing this to even be printed since if I were him I would have instantly fired you and replaced you with a trained chimp that would guaranteedly have more ethics and lack of bias. Moron.......
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Votes: +1 Jaguars reliabe? Please....... Jul 29, 2009 13:43 Comparing a Jaguar to a Ferrari in ANY fashion is like stating a Yugo was a great car for the money. Anyone with common sense would never by a Jag and anyone with money to burn would laugh at them. People with money to burn buy Ferrari and the rest of us just wish we could.
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Votes: +1 @ "Andrew replies" Jul 29, 2009 13:51 we are not Ferrari experts, we are moron experts, and we can tell when an article is written by one!
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Votes: +9 Woooow... Jul 29, 2009 13:55 Keep offending your loyal fan base. :p Sure, you get lots of comments and attention, but sooner or later (sooner) we'll just stop coming here. :)
I don't care for Ferraris myself, but I don't think people who do are . I love Nissan. I love Skylines. Will I ever own a GT-R? Probably not... Does that make me an asshole? I hadn't thought so... A hack? not to my knowledge. We crave things. We lust after things we want. So what? Human nature. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean people who do are less than you. Get over yourself already! lol?
Never thought I'd quote M. Manson, but, "When all of your wishes are granted, many of your dreams will be destroyed."
Anyway, I'm off. I'll keep checking TGD until one day I don't. :| At this pace, that one day might be tomorrow. lol.
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Votes: +5 What nonsense Jul 29, 2009 14:38 This whole article is nonsense !
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Votes: +2 That's not what the point of a Ferrari is. And sinc... Jul 29, 2009 16:02 That's not what the point of a Ferrari is. And since when are they "unreliable"?
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Votes: +2 All of the above... Jul 29, 2009 16:35 cannot take a personal opinion. I like Mr. Andrew's articles. I do not agree with it from a technical point of view but he may be right about the vast majority of Ferrari fans that buy pens and hats. I too like jags, they look nice, they are pretty rare and they are reasonable but you cannot trust them. They have a good image but they are a lot weaker than German cars. The British just don't know how to build good cars(only good looking). Same is true for their anglo-saxon cousins across the pond :)
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Votes: -3 Angry Person That Could Never Afford One Jul 29, 2009 16:49 I am not sure I have ever heard a person that owns a Jaguar ever spout off in such a rant how undependable a Ferrari is. I have gone through over 20 different Ferrari's... all of them older than 1976 and they had their moments, but they were great fun. I owned a bunch of jag E-Types and they were a bit truck like because of their weight bias and 4 shock rears.. sounded very nice, but were not very comfortable and they were electrical nightmares. Let's not forget about the over heating!
When you buy a Ferrari, there is a cache that goes along with it, as opposed to the Jaguars built on a Ford Taurus body. Still, the XK's are very nice, but so are the litany of Ferrari's that are out now.
Out of all of the cars I have owned, my favorite Ferrari's were the Daytona, a 275GTB SWB, 275 GTS and a 308GTB fiberglass coupe. I also had a 1968 Miura and that was the one I should have kept. Loads of fun, great sounds and terrible lift at over 120mph. Each one of the cars mentioned had webers, so I always had a fire extinguisher handy.
Don't be so angry... no matter how you slice it, Ferrari's are pure sex and although they might not be as reliable as some would like, someone that shells out 100k - 600k for a car is looking for more than what a domestic, common factory built car can offer. Lighten up and go drive an older Ferrari... The sights, sounds and smells are amazing.
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Votes: +2 What a loser you are! Jul 29, 2009 17:56 Well, at first Ferrari was made intended to be sold to millionaires but nowadays almost any middle class average worker can afford to pay $1.5k a month for an used one.
You are talking nonsense. If you go to a Ferrari event you'll see a Lot of average people very far from owning a million dollars in liquid assets which is the minimum to be called rich these days which is quite a joke, when I was a kid I used to think Ferrari owners around the world were extremely rich. But later in life I realized I was wrong so you are regarding Ferraris in US.
I would agree with you if you were talking about Brazilians, here a new F430 won't sell under usd$650k. Only millionaires buy it, not the same for Americans. I envy you guys easy lives.
About the car I was expecting something more aggressive and at the same height of the F430 but I wanna see it live before a final conclusion.
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Votes: -2 What a TWAT!!! Jul 29, 2009 18:39 Sorry mate but just because you'll never be able to buy one doesn't make it a waste of money. I have a F430 that i use on a everyday basis and has never been unreliable.
I suggest you go drive a ferrari and then tell us its a waste of money!
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Votes: +3 This Author most not have a Soul or appreciation of beauty Jul 29, 2009 20:40 I hope Enzo Ferrari comes back from the grave and b*tch smacks this guy.
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Votes: +2 @Victor _________________ Anarcho-Capitalist, AnCaps Forum, Ancapolis,OZschwitz Contraband “The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual, crime.”-- Max Stirner "Remember: Evil exists because good men don't kill the government officials committing it." -- Kurt Hofmann
Subject: Re: Idiot: Claims new Ferrari F458 is a waste of money Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:40 am
Part IV
Jul 29, 2009 21:01 "...almost any middle class average worker can afford to pay $1.5k a month for an used one."
Seriously? What an outrageous claim. That would be about half the take home pay for the majority of middle class Americans. You'd have to be a real douche to be making $50k/year (so
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Votes: +2 @Victor - got cut off I guess Jul 29, 2009 21:02 ...about 40k/year after taxes) and be spending $18k/year on car payments.
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Votes: +2 Re: All of the above. . . Jul 30, 2009 00:00 I didn't read ANYWHERE that this was an opinion piece. Therefore it should have some sort of facts, you know, like you would expect in an article... written by a journalist.
"New Ferrari F458 a waste of money" - If this isn't opinionated, I don't know what is!
And wow, Andrew has driven a Ferrari around a track once? I'm sorry, I never realised how credible his opinion was.... I will bow down now... PLEASE FORGIVE ME!
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Votes: +2 I must be a Jul 30, 2009 03:40 obsessed weasel you'd cross the road to avoid.
Well at least I hope Andrew crosses the road.
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Votes: +0 Again, professionalism Jul 30, 2009 04:14 Again a complete lack of professionalism in an Andrew Thomas article, even to the extent the editor had to chip in.
"And like the F430, it is exactly the same as every other Ferrari produced in the last twenty years - impractical, overpriced, unreliable, obscenely expensive to service and painted red." Wow, jealous much?
Tell you what, go back to school and learn how to remain objective or just find another profession. Because yet again you have written an utterly worthless article that has nothing to do with technology, science or entertainment, let alone contains any sign of professional writing.
TG Daily used to be a good site for technology news, but lately people like Andrew have been dragging down the quality with their inabilities to remain objective or write relevant news.
What Andrew, you gonna call me dumb again? It's quite clear you've written this with obscene bias and the reader comments are a clear indication of this, it isn't the first time there has been a wave of complaints about your articles either, so stop writing tabloid-quality articles or go work for the competition bashing division of Sony.
[Andrew adds: FYI, I wrote the note at the end...]
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Votes: +1 What Next? Jul 30, 2009 05:19 Based on the author's approach and lack of professionalism, I wouldn't be surprised if he started a lobby group for people that can't fit in Ferrari's making them impractical for people with short arms, short legs, too tall, too wide or just too large to fit properly in the car. Oh, let's not forget the gas mileage!
Ferrari's, almost regardless of which one, are cars that offer sensory overload with regard to sight, smell and sound. There are not many other car manufacturers that can offer the same thrill of those attributes.
When was the last time you were in the presence of a car that wasn't running and stopped to just look or just say "WOW"?
It really is a shame that there was so much bias in the article, but much worse, it is a very angry, bitter approach to a topic that usually warrants praise at various levels in supercars. To write about technology, you should know something about technology, otherwise people can be threatened by it, just like a lack of knowledge in any venue. The author, obviously, has no basis of knowledge in this field or automotive history, making him into the bitter, biting, mislead individual he has proven to be based on his unprofessionally written rant.
Maybe we should forgive the fact that he owns a JAG.
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Votes: +2 Ferrari 458 Jul 30, 2009 05:55 So the author of this dribble drove a Ferrari at Silverstone and after waking up he found the bed wet and his tricycle on the floor. You say he is a writer for Wire. Well, he needs pulling into line!
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Votes: +1 Nice cars, but when did you last see one? Jul 30, 2009 05:56 Or at least one being driven in anger?
I can put my hand on my heart and say that in almost 20 years of driving Jags, I have never, ever, been overtaken by a Ferrari.
And having spent three years in a job that entailed driving 1,000 miles a week, the only breakdown I suffered was in a 4 liter supercharged V8 XJR when the gearbox exploded.
The gearbox in question was manufactured by Mercedes Benz. Go figure.
BTW, I'm more than happy to discuss any stories with readers, but you'll obviously have to use a genuine email addy on your comments before I can do that.
Or just drop me a line at andrew@tgdaily.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it - again, using a genuine email address.
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Votes: +0 ahem... Jul 30, 2009 09:43 "I can put my hand on my heart and say that in almost 20 years of driving Jags, I have never, ever, been overtaken by a Ferrari. " are you suggesting you don't respect the traffic laws? (I sure hope you do respect 'em, they exist for everybody's safety after all)
Odds are you've been on the same highway as a ferrari at least once but just didn't notice it, they're not all bright red with a heavy-footed driver. :-/
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Votes: +0 Sensitive pozers.. Jul 31, 2009 00:00 I don't think he realized how many of you there are out there... I'm a huge fan now. We can only hope he does a piece on Eminem's Identity crisis as an encore..
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Votes: +1 Ugliest Ferrari ever? Jul 31, 2009 00:03 and the winner is... F438 Italia..
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Votes: -2 This article is a disgrace Jul 31, 2009 10:11 The fact that this is not an automotive website is irrelavent, this "article" has no place in any form of technical setting. It does not even constitute an editorial and belongs no where beyond the authors personal blog, where he may rant to his hearts content.
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Votes: +3 Cobra Fan Jul 31, 2009 14:14 I hear everything this fellow is saying in this article, it's mostly true!
BUT - I STill want one!
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Votes: +0 THIS GUY IS A BUM Jul 31, 2009 16:47 You own a jaguar and you think you know something about exotic cars. First off, the guy driving the toyota is smarter than you because he was not stupid enough to get something as impractical as a jaguar and actually decided to get a car that he wont have to service every other day. Ferrari is a company that puts plenty of passion and work into their cars in an attempt to please auto enthusiasts all around the world and the fact that you are bashing the new concept is despicable. To say it bluntly, you are brain dead. I just hope that there is a sliver of knowledge remaining in that sad excuse you call a brain which may be rekindled after reading this garbage rant on Ferrari. Just something for you to consider while driving your sparkling blue jaguar XK down the one way street to hell. Go fuck yourself, A dedicated ferrari fan
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Votes: +2 Angelina Jolie vs Jane Doe Aug 01, 2009 05:53 As everything else in life you get what you pay for. I own a Ferrari F430 among others and yes Ferrari give you a $10 switch for a $100 to fund a racing obsession. It cost about a $30/ mile to drive a modern day Ferrari. In this economy, I am broke sort of and yet I want one as soon as i can see the light at the end of tunnel. This gives you one reason to live and strive to earn more. You will know it too, once you drive one the track.
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Votes: +0 You SUCK by all meaning of the word! Aug 01, 2009 14:43 You self obsessed over grown jaguar owning Ti-rant! Get a life and stop trying to lower the standards of a beautifully crafted work of art like the 458..Your like one of those little kids who sit in a corner and complain about the manufacturers mishaps because you can get the toy that a lot of your friends and other people are getting. SO how about you grow up and go do something productive with your life and stop wasting your time writing these blogs trying to show your self off as someone who understands the joy and sheer intensity of the adrenaline rush that comes with one of these beauties.
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