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PostSubject: Societal Sadomasochism   Societal Sadomasochism Icon_minitimeMon Jan 13, 2020 3:03 pm

*The* great age-old social problem that has faced mankind, and still very much does, is that most people do not love themselves, but instead actually hate themselves. Human beings tend to be extreme gluttons for punishment. This can unmistakably be seen in the extreme systems of mass-horror that humans continuously construct for themselves. It's not as if we don't have essentially the entirety of civilizational human history that pointedly warns against such social systems, yet humans are utterly fascinated and enchanted by them, like moths to a flame. Obviously these systems of mass-horror are serving some deep-seated need within the human psyche.

Now, of course, this is not a conscious realization for most people, but rather is a psychological imperative which they are subconsciously controlled by. This has to do with evolutionary psychology, particularly after the Neolithic Revolution and the breakdown of the bicameral mind discussed by psychologist Julian Jaynes in his book The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind (Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1976). It was the widespread belief among the ancients circa three millennia ago and before that they actually directly interacted with the gods. Jaynes's crucial insight was that before the breakdown of the bicameral mind around said era, during the evolution of humans out of an animalistic mental state, that humans were not actually self-conscious, but rather had no choice but to obey the commands of the gods, of which gods were actually one part of the brain communicating with a different part--the sensate, action-response part--via human language that would be heard as actual voices. In other words, our ancestors of circa that era and before were an especially extreme form of schizophrenics.

I haven't heard supporters of Jaynes mention this as an item in Jaynes's favor before, but muscarinic acetylcholine receptor antagonists, such as scopolamine, provide strong evidence for Jaynes's theory--indeed, perhaps the strongest, since it makes the voice-command state Jaynes wrote about completely reproducible. Sociologist Lloyd deMause's work on psychohistory also fits well the Jaynes theory.

Jaynes's theory is also reinforced by Artificial Intelligence researcher Marvin Minsky's concept of the Society of Mind (see Marvin Minsky, illustrations by Juliana Lee, The Society of Mind [New York: Touchstone, 1988; 1st ed., 1986]). And both Jaynes and Minsky's ideas on this are restatements and elaborations on Mark 5:1-20 and Luke 8:26-39 involving the Messiah's interaction with a demon-possessed man. When Jesus asked the demon what its name was, the entity replied, "My name is Legion; for we are many." Indeed there are a host of these entities within us all. It's amazing to think that the key to cracking the code of Artificial General Intelligence was given some 2000 years ago within these passages.

The Jaynesian demons can be usefully defined as those subset of Minskian agents which impel people to untowardness, e.g., self-destruction and social destruction.

What a demon is in actuality is a particular type of computer-program operating on the wet-computer of the human brain. Demons are utterly real, but they exist in the exact same ontological manner which the human mind exists, as the human mind is itself a particular type of computer-program operating on the wet-computer of the human brain. The demons are the destructive subsets of the human mind. Science has identified the spiritual realm, and it is the living brain--the living human brain in particular, since that brain is the most complex at present. The spiritual realm exists!

And it's not that these demons actually wish to end life's existence, i.e., that they impel humans toward suicide and social suicide. Mere nonexistence is not what they seek for us. The actual case of the matter is far, far worse than that. For what these demons actually seek is to send their host and everyone else to Hell for all eternity. The demons are infuriated that they do not have the same level of control they once had over their hosts, when they could issue what was perceived as voice-commands and the host had no choice but to obey--that they are not quite the gods they once were. Via the breakdown of the bicameral mind, the Jaynesian gods of old have more or less been relegated to Tartarus (see 2 Peter 2:4, Young's Literal Translation; Weymouth New Testament; or the note to this passage in the English Standard Version), though they still exercise great control over the subconscious mind and compel humans toward systems of extreme mass-horror.

As I said, these demonic entities are utterly real--as real as any human being, as they ontologically exist in the sameself way as the essence of what a human being is, i.e., the human personality, i.e., the human mind. If one should ever doubt the real existence of these entities, then there are psychological techniques one can use to summon them, such as Astral Projection, as what often follows attempts at Astral Projection is demon-visitation during episodes of sleep paralysis. And one's interaction with these entities can be perceived as being as real as interacting with any other person in external physical reality--nay, sometimes even more real. One can actually have sex with these entities, such as with the succubi and incubi--or what is perceived as such, seemingly every bit as real as sex with any human. Though I only recommend summoning these entities under conditions of actual scientific research, as they are not to be trifled with.

In actuality, what elite occultism is is principally three-pronged: (1) methods of contacting these entities using various mental techniques, including coming into full possession by them; (2) getting people within important social control-sectors to engage in blackmailable behavior so as be able to control them for life; and (3) to provide a spiritual justification for extreme psychopathy. Esoterica at the top echelons is not hokum, but rather utterly practical methods of power. And the demons are outrageous liars who will present themselves as extraterrestrials, departed humans, spirit guides, etc.--though the clandestine scientific psychologists of the deep state, such as with Project MKULTRA, undoubtedly know what the actual ontological nature of these entities are.

If most people actually were to love themselves, then essentially all the major social problems of the world would be solved, for then people would not tolerate improper impositions upon themselves; but rather seek freedom for themselves, and thus also for others, for one cannot be free while living in a slave-pit. Yet societies are continuously impelled into various hellpits by subconscious psychological forces whereof most people know not--by the demons lurking within them, whispering into their ear, promising Heaven but delivering Hell. World society is quite literally under demonic control, and the demons have nothing nice in store for anyone, let alone those who make a point of consciously summoning them for power.

Here's a nice music video about the foregoing matters:

* "SNOG - Everything Is Under Control", Richard Grant ( youtube.com/user/rgrant ), Mar. 19, 2013

Mirror: id., Faustus Films ( vimeo.com/user3576277 ), Feb. 25, 2013, https://vimeo.com/60439901 . Mirror: MP4, 75509084 bytes, MD5: 20e8ea0ab2708bad5d8d1d5e29f41be0, https://bit.ly/2C6dfcI .

For more on what the above video by our good friends at Snog is about, consult the section "The New World Order: Government's Attempt at Autoapotheosis", pp. 87-98 of my following article, paying close attention to the footnotes, since much of the information on this is within said footnotes:

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhysicsOfGodAndTheQuantumGravityTheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god , https://webcitation.org/74HMsJGbP .
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PostSubject: Re: Societal Sadomasochism   Societal Sadomasochism Icon_minitimeMon Jan 13, 2020 5:53 pm

nonsense
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PostSubject: Re: Societal Sadomasochism   Societal Sadomasochism Icon_minitimeMon Jan 13, 2020 5:54 pm

Sorry James, but the answer is still the same as the last time:

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PostSubject: Re: Societal Sadomasochism   Societal Sadomasochism Icon_minitimeWed Jan 15, 2020 3:34 pm

@RR Phantom wrote:
nonsense

@CovOps wrote:
Sorry James, but the answer is still the same as the last time:

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Hi, RR Phantom and CovOps.

The demons are quite real. Anything one can interact with is real and exists--in some form or another. The interesting question centers around what is their actual ontological nature, i.e., in what form do they actually exist.

The veridical answer to that question is that the demons (and their updated edition for the modern era, the aliens) are particular naturally-evolved parts of our own mind, i.e., they are particular subsets of our own consciousness: mostly the demons/aliens/etc. exist in our subconscious, but the highest levels of the elite occult societies have figured out over the ages various mental techniques to bring the demons to the fore, to the conscious level. These demons are the gods of old, the ones that required human sacrifice.

For much more on what is going on with the demons/aliens/spirit-guides/etc., see my above-posted article.
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PostSubject: Re: Societal Sadomasochism   Societal Sadomasochism Icon_minitimeWed Jan 15, 2020 4:57 pm

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... the demons (and their updated edition for the modern era, the aliens) are particular naturally-evolved parts of our own mind, i.e., they are particular subsets of our own consciousness: mostly the demons/aliens/etc. exist in our subconscious...

Well, if demons are part of our mind, then they're epistemological and not metaphysical, hence do not exist as entities, but simply as thoughts.
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PostSubject: Re: Societal Sadomasochism   Societal Sadomasochism Icon_minitimeThu Jan 16, 2020 3:02 pm

@CovOps wrote:
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... the demons (and their updated edition for the modern era, the aliens) are particular naturally-evolved parts of our own mind, i.e., they are particular subsets of our own consciousness: mostly the demons/aliens/etc. exist in our subconscious...

Well, if demons are part of our mind, then they're epistemological and not metaphysical, hence do not exist as entities, but simply as thoughts.

The essence of what a person is, i.e., their personality, is thoughts: in the case of humans, the computer-program currently operating on the wet-computer of the human brain.

All that exists is simply information and nothing else. In physics, the upper bound on the number of bits required to perfectly emulate any finite physical system, called the Bekenstein Bound, is given as C*E/ln(2), where C is the circumference of a sphere that circumscribes the physical system and E is the total mass-energy of the system, both in Planck units, and ln(2) is the natural logarithm of 2.

Regardless how one wishes to think of the psychological Jaynesian gods/demons/spirit-guides/aliens, they affect every aspect of human life, in small ways and in large.

* * * * *

Your usage of the terms "epistemological" and "metaphysical" could use amelioration. The below definitions are from Noah Porter (Ed.), Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language (Springfield, Mass.: G. & C. Merriam Company, 1913):

""
Epistemology \E*pis`te*mol"o*gy\, n. [Gr. ? knowledge + -logy.]

  The theory or science of the method or grounds of knowledge.
""

And:

""
Metaphysics \Met`a*phys"ics\, n. [Gr. ? ? ? after those things
  which relate to external nature, after physics, fr. ? beyond,
  after + ? relating to external nature, natural, physical, fr.
  ? nature: cf. F. m['e]taphysique. See {Physics}. The term was
  first used by the followers of Aristotle as a name for that
  part of his writings which came after, or followed, the part
  which treated of physics.]

  1. The science of real as distinguished from phenomenal
     being; ontology; also, the science of being, with
     reference to its abstract and universal conditions, as
     distinguished from the science of determined or concrete
     being; the science of the conceptions and relations which
     are necessarily implied as true of every kind of being;
     phylosophy in general; first principles, or the science of
     first principles.

  Note: Metaphysics is distinguished as general and special.
        {General metaphysics} is the science of all being as
        being. {Special metaphysics} is the science of one kind
        of being; as, the metaphysics of chemistry, of morals,
        or of politics. According to Kant, a systematic
        exposition of those notions and truths, the knowledge
        of which is altogether independent of experience, would
        constitute the science of metaphysics.


              Commonly, in the schools, called metaphysics, as
              being part of the philosophy of Aristotle, which
              hath that for title; but it is in another sense:
              for there it signifieth as much as ``books
              written or placed after his natural philosophy.''
              But the schools take them for ``books of
              supernatural philosophy;'' for the word
              metaphysic will bear both these senses.
              --Hobbes.

              Now the science conversant about all such
              inferences of unknown being from its known
              manifestations, is called ontology, or
              metaphysics proper.
              --Sir W. Hamilton.

              Metaphysics are [is] the science which determines
              what can and what can not be known of being, and
              the laws of being, a priori.
              --Coleridge.

  2. Hence: The scientific knowledge of mental phenomena;
     mental philosophy; psychology.


           Metaphysics, in whatever latitude the term be taken,
           is a science or complement of sciences exclusively
           occupied with mind.
           --Sir W. Hamilton.

           Whether, after all, A larger metaphysics might not
           help Our physics.
           --Mrs. Browning.
""
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PostSubject: Re: Societal Sadomasochism   Societal Sadomasochism Icon_minitimeThu Jan 16, 2020 6:12 pm

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The essence of what a person is, i.e., their personality, is thoughts

No. The essence is the nature of the person, ie. an ape. (species)

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All that exists is simply information and nothing else.

No. That's just conceptual corruption. The universe isn't "information."  As per Aristotle's Law of Identity, the universe is comprised of entities. "Information" is an advanced epistemic concept, not a metaphysical entity, outside and independently of human consciousness.

So, when I hear "scientists" prattle about "information" inside a black hole... I just wish it would swallow the motherfuckers forthwith.

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PostSubject: Re: Societal Sadomasochism   Societal Sadomasochism Icon_minitimeMon Jan 20, 2020 1:53 pm

@CovOps wrote:
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The essence of what a person is, i.e., their personality, is thoughts

No. The essence is the nature of the person, ie. an ape. (species)

Quote :
All that exists is simply information and nothing else.

No. That's just conceptual corruption. The universe isn't "information." As per Aristotle's Law of Identity, the universe is comprised of entities. "Information" is an advanced epistemic concept, not a metaphysical entity, outside and independently of human consciousness.

So, when I hear "scientists" prattle about "information" inside a black hole... I just wish it would swallow the motherfuckers forthwith.

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Regarding Aristotelianism, see Sec. 6: "Science Comes Home", pp. 33 ff. of my following article:

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhysicsOfGodAndTheQuantumGravityTheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god , https://webcitation.org/74HMsJGbP .
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PostSubject: Re: Societal Sadomasochism   Societal Sadomasochism Icon_minitimeMon Jan 20, 2020 6:11 pm

Sorry James, but much of what is written there I disagree with...

And I'll just leave it at that.
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